Really Ratty Rusty Ruby RIP

[indy510]

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Okay, "now" this is starting to get fun ....

[indy510]

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This seems like a good place for the motor .. except the oil pan's on the ground, the hood won't shut, and the "frame" can go 2" lower





Nice and far away from the firewall...

[indy510]

Time to take everything apart ....

[GREG510]

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.. except the oil pan's on the ground

Dry Sump

[indy510]

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But the transmission's on the ground too ....

Hood scoop ............................

NEVAR!!! .... ..... I'd rather hack the firewall till the roof caves in ....

and BTW,, the firewall/windshield wiper area is VERY structural... right up there with the frame rails and rocker panels

[indy510]

[indy510]

[Byron510]

I have a plan .... .. . raise the car?

No!!!

Can't be done... how about a twin sidedraft set up on a rotary - I've never seen a more worthy low profile engine - including the oil pan... unless you go boxer on us

There is will, let's find a way!

http://atkinsrotary.com/store/Performance-Intakes/


I know that someone made a twin sidedraft that went beside the motor and strut tower, but I can't find a photo. the reason I know one was available is that when I worked at an un-named speed shop in my youth, they installed one in an Gen I RX7 - it was a pretty cool set up.


Byron

[okayfine]

Dry-sump and one of Dave's cowl-induction hoods. Don't make it hard on yourself.

[510rob]

Dry-sump and one of Dave's cowl-induction hoods. Don't make it hard on yourself.

...because dry sump is easy (and cheap?)

[okayfine]

I'm not sure anything Indy's done has been easy. My comment was more in line with Indy's ultimate goal of lowness. Everything else is secondary (or doesn't even matter). With that in mind, what's some mo' money when the solution is available?

[indy510]

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Easy? .. no ..... Done right/correctly/qualityly?? ... no ... .... .. .. cheap? .. asside from welding wire/gas/metal ... yes


I started this project with a "goal" of raising the rear suspension/floor only 2 inches, and somehow get one inch more clearance for the front ... I ended up raising the rear floor 4" and front frame rails 3" ... Niether of these numbers are "crazy" new concepts for the 510 world. Many 510 race cars have the front LCA's raised 2.5",, and by raising my rear floor 4", I will still have some negative camber at a "normal" 510 race car ride height.

IMO a "normal" 510 race car is as low as I used to drive this car, with the front X-member 2.5" off the ground and the rear rocker panel seams 3.5" off the ground... I was dragging the exaust, oil pan, frame rails, front and rear floor pans, rockers, and the rear x-member mounting studs .... But when I raised the car one inch fr/rr it would stop all dragging, and make the car actually fun to drive.

My comment was more in line with Indy's ultimate goal of lowness. Everything else is secondary (or doesn't even matter). With that in mind, what's some mo' money when the solution is available?

I know it seems like all I care about is "lowness" . . sometimes I do .. but having a motor sticking through the hood is where I draw the line

I don't see how a dry sump would help this?? .... . the bellhousing is already on the ground:

[okayfine]

Fair enough. But is the rear of the trans where it wants to be relative to the diff?

[510rob]

If you install a dry-sump system, you can almost sit the engine on the ground

• example of a dry sump setup --> http://www.wolfcreekracing.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=22

the next problem is the bellhousing size, so then you need to get a small diameter flywheel, then cut down the lower extensions of the bellhousing

• example of a small diameter flywheel setup --> http://www.quartermasterusa.com/qm/dats ... wheel.html

The stock Datto ring gear is typically 120 teeth, whereas the typical small diameter QMI & Tilton flywheels are 94 teeth, giving you another inch or two of ground clearance to drop the car/engine a bit lower...

...but that stuff is quite expensive!

[Dave Patten]

I wrote an article for the Dime Quarterly about dry sumping my L20B powered racecar. It was quite the experiance getting it right.

The article is available on line (Thank you Julian) DQ Volume 8, Issue 4
Link: https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0ByCvx ... M4M2RiMDY1