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Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 06 Feb 2009 23:45
by datzenmike
If 61 degrees should give a cranking compression of 215, and knowing that increasing the closing degree lowers the compression, I assumed that maybe you are advanced one tooth (or 9 degrees). I was hoping that 70 degrees would drop it to 160psi and that would prove to be your problem.... Oh well.

What about retarding the cam a tooth and trying it? Cheap and easy to do. If it improves, maybe try another tooth until power drops off. Then fine tune it closer by advancing/retarding one 4 degree hole on the sprocket. Each hole is almost 1/2 a sprocket tooth.

You expect 160hp? So you are down about 50%... nothing to loose by trying.

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 07 Feb 2009 18:12
by defdes
Well....all back to good. The timing mark plate was knocked and what I assumed was TDC was not, straightened that out, then changed the cam timing. Now 215 compression on all cylinders.

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 07 Feb 2009 20:57
by datzenmike
Woot!

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 00:46
by 510rob
glad to hear you got it sorted out. can't wait to hear new dyno numbers.

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 02:27
by TUF510
Good to hear it was something simple. It would be good to see and hear some footage of it at full song next time its on the Dyno or at a race track.

Peter :)

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 12:32
by James
Glad to hear you had an easy fix. I love those - especially when you can find them (and haven't already spent a bunch of effort chasing down the wrong stuff.)

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 13:23
by defdes
James wrote: (and haven't already spent a bunch of effort chasing down the wrong stuff.)
I did really, but it was multi faceted problem as it turned out. My distributor needed to be recurved for the new motor too, which added to the confusion. :oops:

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 14:44
by icehouse
So when are you going to re Dyno your car so we can really know what that L16 puts down?

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 14:48
by vgwagon
datzenmike wrote:If 61 degrees should give a cranking compression of 215, and knowing that increasing the closing degree lowers the compression, I assumed that maybe you are advanced one tooth (or 9 degrees). I was hoping that 70 degrees would drop it to 160psi and that would prove to be your problem.... Oh well.

What about retarding the cam a tooth and trying it? Cheap and easy to do. If it improves, maybe try another tooth until power drops off. Then fine tune it closer by retarding one 4 degree hole on the sprocket. Each hole is almost 1/2 a sprocket tooth.

You expect 160hp? So you are down about 50%... nothing to loose by trying.
That is impressive to make that call over the internet. You are the "L" master zen.

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 15:25
by defdes
icehouse wrote:So when are you going to re Dyno your car so we can really know what that L16 puts down?
This week...if my "ship comes in". I blew $190 last week on figuring the problem.

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 15:27
by 510rob
time for predictions...

I say 165HP

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 15:37
by icehouse
510rob wrote:time for predictions...

I say 165HP

I'm guessing 148 WHP

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 17:35
by 510rob
icehouse wrote:
510rob wrote:time for predictions...

I say 165HP

I'm guessing 148 WHP
Alright, I should be more specific. 165BHP, at the 'brake', on an engine dyno, calibrated to S.T.P. conditions, operated by a credible and knowledgeable person, all overseen by at least three dependable and reliable witnesses, with one witness tasked with fair and frequent distribution of ice cold beers...

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 17:48
by icehouse
510rob wrote:
icehouse wrote:
510rob wrote:time for predictions...

I say 165HP

I'm guessing 148 WHP
Alright, I should be more specific. 165BHP, at the 'brake', on an engine dyno, calibrated to S.T.P. conditions, operated by a credible and knowledgeable person, all overseen by at least three dependable and reliable witnesses, with one witness tasked with fair and frequent distribution of ice cold beers...

I thought you were going to say it had to be on a Rebello dyno :D haha

Re: Cam timing effects on compression

Posted: 08 Feb 2009 17:48
by bertvorgon
I'm going to say 145.