A 510 30 years in planing.
Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
Just a thought but I would recommend that you check out a couple of cars built buy people in your area. This will give you an idea of the quality of the build and give you the opportunity to ask a boat load of questions. Photos can hide allot trash under shinny paint or fancy parts. You are going to end up spending a fair amount of money in the end and I would hate to see anyone spend it twice.
R160 will not hold up to 350hp over time. use the R180 or r200 3.7 ratio.
Also there is a step just above the rear fender lip that you hammered out you will need to cut that and smooth it out in order to get large tires to fit. There is a support flange in the very middle of this so you cant just hammer it flat nor put too much heat into it or you will warp the panel.
There are allot of very knowledgeable people on this form that have built some really clean cars that have chimed in above check out their build threads as well.
Good luck on the build
R160 will not hold up to 350hp over time. use the R180 or r200 3.7 ratio.
Also there is a step just above the rear fender lip that you hammered out you will need to cut that and smooth it out in order to get large tires to fit. There is a support flange in the very middle of this so you cant just hammer it flat nor put too much heat into it or you will warp the panel.
There are allot of very knowledgeable people on this form that have built some really clean cars that have chimed in above check out their build threads as well.
Good luck on the build
Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
After some paperwork mix up with the delivery company I Got the motor today, and it looks like it made the trip relatively unscathed, oh and the CAS was replaced. What I've found so far is: The fan was damaged, the throttle pulley is a bit sticky and seems like it may have been bent, and the motor mont bolts have in dead been sheared off. Other than that, it seems to be in good shape.
I will take some good quality pictures over the weekend. Next step is to label each connection and remove the wiring harness, so I can ship it to Mckinney motor sports, then remove the fan, pulleys, pwr steering pump, A/C pump, turbo & manifold.
About an hour ago UPS delivered a bunch of parts from Mckinney. Oh joy! As if that wasn't enough, I just got off the phone with Brad aka S15DET. He is in town and is going to swing by my shop tomorrow morning to check out my project.The timing is uncanny! The universe is aligning.
Thanks,
Ron M.
I will take some good quality pictures over the weekend. Next step is to label each connection and remove the wiring harness, so I can ship it to Mckinney motor sports, then remove the fan, pulleys, pwr steering pump, A/C pump, turbo & manifold.
About an hour ago UPS delivered a bunch of parts from Mckinney. Oh joy! As if that wasn't enough, I just got off the phone with Brad aka S15DET. He is in town and is going to swing by my shop tomorrow morning to check out my project.The timing is uncanny! The universe is aligning.
Thanks,
Ron M.
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Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
Make sure the oil pan is not dented or dished in the pick up is very close to the oil pan and you will not have any oil pressure. It seems to be a common problem with shipping these motors.
Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
Cmac wrote: R160 will not hold up to 350hp over time. use the R180 or r200 3.7 ratio.
R160's won't last long with any boosted engine really. The stock ones break on NA motors so often that we don't have extra's because everyone buys them up. The clutch pack units die pretty quick after 200 WHP
"People don't like it when shit doesn't match their rule of thumb." Sam
Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
thanks Cmac,Cmac wrote:Make sure the oil pan is not dented or dished in the pick up is very close to the oil pan and you will not have any oil pressure. It seems to be a common problem with shipping these motors.
I'm pretty sure that oil pan has been through hell and back. I'll be sure to check it.
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Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
thanks Cmac,Cmac wrote:Make sure the oil pan is not dented or dished in the pick up is very close to the oil pan and you will not have any oil pressure. It seems to be a common problem with shipping these motors.
I'm pretty sure that oil pan has been through hell and back. I'll be sure to check it.
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Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
At this point I think I'll bite the bullet and get an 04, WRS STi r180 and take care of it right the first time. I'm not a big believer in disposable diffs.icehouse wrote:Cmac wrote: R160 will not hold up to 350hp over time. use the R180 or r200 3.7 ratio.
R160's won't last long with any boosted engine really. The stock ones break on NA motors so often that we don't have extra's because everyone buys them up. The clutch pack units die pretty quick after 200 WHP
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Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
I think Icehouse overstates the fragility of the R160, especially the R160LSD. Sure, as mentioned, behind 350HP it won't live a long life, but they aren't made of glass. Torque kills diffs anyway, not HP.
And then there's Dave Lum who had 20 or so drag-strip launches on his R160LSD before it blew. Behind a 222HP VG30DE and, later, the VG30DETT.
In the end, as with all things, YMMV.
And then there's Dave Lum who had 20 or so drag-strip launches on his R160LSD before it blew. Behind a 222HP VG30DE and, later, the VG30DETT.
In the end, as with all things, YMMV.
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Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
I had a great time today working with Ron on his recent deliveries. I don't want to spoil anything, Ron, tell everybody about the good surprises.
I enjoyed meeting you, and thanks for lunch!
I enjoyed meeting you, and thanks for lunch!
Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
My hat is off to Brad, aka s15DET Dude knows his s__t
We spent an incredibly productive, and informative 3 hours taring into the motor today, and found some very interesting surprises along the way. From the top, the inner diameter of the MAF housing is much larger than stock, the ECU is a Mines Pre tuned unit, the injectors are not stock, Thought they might be 440cc, though not sure of the actual size. We decided to remove the trani to check the clutch, and there were a few more surprises there, it has an after market clutch and pressure plat, all in great shape, and the flywheel has been lighted within inches of it's life. Most of the outer lip that extends past the starter teeth is gone, and the entire back side of the flywheel has been shaved out. I've posted picts
It looks like someone had put some money into this motor, but I'm not sure if this is good or bad at this point. Who know how this car was driven, or what harm these mods may have done if they weren't done right? Even though there are some cool parts, I would feel a bit more at ease if it were bone stock. I've read so many SR horror stories I guess I can't help but be pessimistic. Brad on the other hand seemed very exited to find one goody after the other. Maybe he knows something I don't (Well Ya)
I've done some research on Mines ECUs and I believe what I have is a pre programed units that is tuned to work with specific mods. Brad noticed the 440cc sticker on the bottom left and figured that was the injector size it's tuned for. He also told me there is a good chance that it is set up for the higher octane Japanese gas, but I could run race fuel as an equivalent. What I don't know is whether I can use it with a higher boost turbo and get the kind of HP I'm looking for. I was hoping there might be someone out there who can positively identify what I have and tell me what I can do with it.
Brad I can't thank you enough!
We spent an incredibly productive, and informative 3 hours taring into the motor today, and found some very interesting surprises along the way. From the top, the inner diameter of the MAF housing is much larger than stock, the ECU is a Mines Pre tuned unit, the injectors are not stock, Thought they might be 440cc, though not sure of the actual size. We decided to remove the trani to check the clutch, and there were a few more surprises there, it has an after market clutch and pressure plat, all in great shape, and the flywheel has been lighted within inches of it's life. Most of the outer lip that extends past the starter teeth is gone, and the entire back side of the flywheel has been shaved out. I've posted picts
It looks like someone had put some money into this motor, but I'm not sure if this is good or bad at this point. Who know how this car was driven, or what harm these mods may have done if they weren't done right? Even though there are some cool parts, I would feel a bit more at ease if it were bone stock. I've read so many SR horror stories I guess I can't help but be pessimistic. Brad on the other hand seemed very exited to find one goody after the other. Maybe he knows something I don't (Well Ya)
I've done some research on Mines ECUs and I believe what I have is a pre programed units that is tuned to work with specific mods. Brad noticed the 440cc sticker on the bottom left and figured that was the injector size it's tuned for. He also told me there is a good chance that it is set up for the higher octane Japanese gas, but I could run race fuel as an equivalent. What I don't know is whether I can use it with a higher boost turbo and get the kind of HP I'm looking for. I was hoping there might be someone out there who can positively identify what I have and tell me what I can do with it.
Brad I can't thank you enough!
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Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
Maybe check the fuel pressure regulator... It could be changed to cheat instead of using bigger injectors.Nissan Side Feed Injectors
185 cc / 125 WHP - Pink GA16
259 cc / 175 WHP - Red SR20DE
333 cc / 226 WHP - Grey SR20VE
370 cc / 250 WHP - Purple SR20DET (Note these fade and may appear light mauve/grey)
444 cc / 300 WHP - Brick Brown SR20DET (JDM S15)
The specified cc ratings (rate of flow) are at the standard fuel pressure of 3 bar (43.5PSI)
But I have a feeling you will be might want to find some S15 ones.
richard norrish
'68 'goon resto / '71 ice racer / '72 'goon project / '70 4-door rust pile / '67 520 project
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'68 'goon resto / '71 ice racer / '72 'goon project / '70 4-door rust pile / '67 520 project
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Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
okayfine wrote:I think Icehouse overstates the fragility of the R160, especially the R160LSD. Sure, as mentioned, behind 350HP it won't live a long life, but they aren't made of glass. Torque kills diffs anyway, not HP.
And then there's Dave Lum who had 20 or so drag-strip launches on his R160LSD before it blew. Behind a 222HP VG30DE and, later, the VG30DETT.
In the end, as with all things, YMMV.
Incorrect he has an R180 LSD in his VG30DETT I actually Emailed him about it a long time ago and he couldn't even remember where he sent the R180 to for the conversion. So it's been in there a while.
My R160 LSD didn't even last a set of rear tires behind my SR and Franks didn't last half a set of rear tires. His KA-T pulls hard when the piston ring lands are still together. My ass dyno says over 250RWH 10lbs on a dual cam. We will see how long the one in Dave's turbo L series lasts.
In my opinion you are way better off even going with the STI unit. Do you know if they are clutch pack or VLSD?
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Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
Just a quick question while it was mentioned here:
Ron, build is looking really cool at the moment, I can only imagine you must be super excited to have motor combo and all your other goodies! Must be like an early christmas for you haha!
Regards
Jared
Where exactly must one look for the different colours on the various injectors?370 cc / 250 WHP - Purple SR20DET (Note these fade and may appear light mauve/grey)
444 cc / 300 WHP - Brick Brown SR20DET (JDM S15)
Ron, build is looking really cool at the moment, I can only imagine you must be super excited to have motor combo and all your other goodies! Must be like an early christmas for you haha!
Regards
Jared
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Current Car's:
1971 P510 1600 SSS Coupe
1972 P510 1600 SSS
1972 P510 1600 SSS
1973 P510 1600 SSS
1973 620 Pickup
1979 PA10 1600J
1980 280ZX
Re: A 510 30 years in planing.
MAF looks like a S15 The code should be Maf 22680 69fo1 . Nice score on the extra bits there was one motor locally that had an Os twin disk in it the other thing to look for is rear diffs with fresh sealer due to a LSD swap. I have been told that the newer LSD will fit into the old long nose r200. Not confirmed but something to ask about.
Brad knows his stuff he answered several crucial questions on my build.
Brad knows his stuff he answered several crucial questions on my build.